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What About The Parks?

Hi Folks.

Mt. Hood Meadows was one of the first ski resorts to build a terrain park – Park Place was constructed way back during the 1996-97 season. The year prior we built the venues for the inaugural Vegetate event – a boarder cross, half pipe and big air – and knew we needed to have a park for – at that time – mainly snowboarders to freestyle on. We are proud of the tradition and the reputation we have when it comes to building the best terrain features in the west.

So, why with a 104 inch base in the first week of January don’t we have these parks?  Incredibly, we have received too much snow too fast to be able to effectively construct quality terrain features quickly.  Our incredible crew continues to make good progress, despite the 170 inches of snow we received since December 15.  Before that date our crew’s  expertise was showcased by building a hugely popular rail park on just 3 feet of base, most of which was harvested from the parking lots. And as I look at the forecast – we’re going to get up to another foot-and-a-half of snow in the next 48 hours.  Not exactly your primo park building stretch of weather.

OK. Enough venting. We have an awesome plan and we are working through it. We have begun building  the superpipe – pushing huge amounts of snow up out of the gut so that we can tier off the walls. The pipe acts as a natural snow fence during storms so it is likely to fill right back up again after this storm, but we will continue to push the snow out and further sculpt what will be a truly magnificent spectacle of righteous verticality.

It is very important to build the super pipe walls to the correct grade of between 16 and 18 degrees. We build the skier’s left wall, the sunny wall, a little thicker than skiers right wall, the shady wall, to compensate for the melt factor. After we build the walls, we then take a cat through the gut to begin rough shaping the walls. Then we run the almighty Zaugg down the walls so they ride just smooth and rhythmically.  Depending on the amount of new snow we receive while building the superpipe, we are aiming to open it by January 10th.

Park Place currently has one butter box, three table tops, and one hip, although we face the same problems constantly battling large amounts of new snow. During these heavy snow cycles, our hardworking crew spends many hours hand digging and re-setting rails. Jumps need to be rebuilt when the landings and take off’s fill in. The Parks crew pretty much starts over during and after every storm  -- this is what makes the features not only ride well but makes them easier to properly maintain.

I was looking at the snow conditions at some other resorts across the country. I think I’ll quit whining about the snow, set some dates and work like hell to hit them. So here goes:

The Zoo and Shipyard – Open and continue to maintain and expand features daily.
Rose City – Open and continue to maintain and expand features, perhaps increasing the size of the jumps a bit.
Park Place – Built to completion January 10.
BoarderCross (on Wallflower) – January 10.
Superpipe – January 12.
Forest Park (now on Tamarack) – January 19.

Our Grooming and Parks departments are committed to do their best to meet or beat these deadlines. As always this is dependent on how much snow we receive. I figure we can’t lose. If it keeps snowing we’ll continue to have the best snow in the country. And if it stops we’ll have the best parks in the country. Hopefully, with just a little break in the weather and an enormous effort by our talented and dedicated parks and grooming crews, we’ll have both. So let us know how fun you find the parks and superpipe.

Onward!

--Matt

Comments

PmoD said:

Hi Matt, phew, tough job you have with all those people second guessing when Heather Canyon should be ready to open. Wednesday was great!! Deep to say the least. I thank the patrols whenever I see them.

This week I didn't find the right person to ask the location of the fatality. Can you disclose that? I spend my whole day off the groomer and am very interested in learning more about this years odd snowpack. Thanks.

Oh, I am in the new post just to be first. Everyone else must be on the way there. I want to help keep the cue to your parking lot lighter this morning by only coming on weekdays!

Glad to hear the snowparks are on the way. It's fun to watch from the Cascade lift!

Keep up the good work.  -pmod

Matt's reply:

PmoD: Thanks for the compliments - the patrollers have been working hard and deserve a pat on the back.

The accident occured at the bottom of the Hood River Express - skiers right and below the bottom of Tamarack.

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 7:30 AM

jamie said:

I'm curious about the cost/benefit ratio for parks. For example, is there any way to determine how many people use the parks versus the whole mountain. If you have a $500K Zaugg machine and numerous other groomers and man hours just for parks, how does that pencil out per park-goer?

It seems like it would be expensive to me unless there is some other intangible benefit, like bragging rights.

When I go up midweek there is usally less than half a dozen folks in the parks, Is it a weekend phenmenon>

Just curious.

Matt's reply:

jamie: Good question - I don't have a specific answer. We make a very large investment in grooming - purchasing three new snow cats every year to keep our fleet more modern than any of the NW ski resorts. Freestyle grooming is a big part of our grooming department and within the industry. Park traffic is greater than you report - even midweek, but especially on the weekends. The parks are also used for competitions and training, especially OISA - the high school snowboarding league. Parks also come into play when families are making decisions where they want to recreate together - if they have someone in the target age group they are more likely to visit a resort that has a reputations for good parks.

The price of a Zaugg is about $75,000 or so. But of course you also need a snow cat to attach it to to get the job done.

Thanks for the post.

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 8:17 AM

Meadows Lark said:

Ya Matt,

That’s what I was looking for.  I understand the too much snow thing.  I can’t believe I’ve actually been hoping for it to slow down.  Weird.  I’m glad to hear you’ve decided to stop waiting for it to stop and start to dig in.

Ya know, I’ve been riding Meadows Parks ever since you started building them.  I was there in ’96-’97.  I love how you’ve continually expanded them.  It shows that you do realize that parks are riding’s future (and present, really).

One thing I ask for you to contemplate is ways to better educate people not familiar with parks on how they flow.  My biggest suggestion is very noticeable signs at the entry of every park warning of the skill level required to take that particular run.  Like a sign at the top of the Place that reads in very large print: “ PARK PLACE is for ADVANCED PARK RIDERS ONLY.  Please try Shipyard & The Zoo if you are new to terrain parks.”  Or develop a levels rating for each park and post it clearly.  Anything that can be done to keep the beginners from the expert runs that are terrain parks.  The Smart Style campaign is a good foundation, but it seems like some people need it to smack them in the face as they come up to a park.  You have a video on your site that anyone new to parks should be sure to watch before they ever think about passing through the park gates.  PLEASE, go to the Parks & Pipes section at skihood.com and play the video before riding any terrain park.

Last year, Dave was kind enough to post a very long blog rant from me regarding beginners in the wrong park, and the danger and frustration associated with them.  If you would like to review my rant and park beginner advice, it was in December 2006 under the blog topic “Automated Lift Access Systems” posted at 2:38PM on 12-30-06.  It was totally off subject, but after an annoying day in the park, I needed to yell at the world.  Nothing can make an experienced park rider more pissed off than someone using a park run to learn how to ski.  Blocking the path to and chilling on tops of jumps, or worse on the backsides where they can’t be seen.  Or slowly cutting back and forth across the run.  It’s a collision invitation for someone inexperienced to ride the large parks.

One last thing.  It’s been a great year with you at the helm so far.  Dave seemed kinda stiff and a bit too conservative.  I’ve seen a much more relaxed atmosphere at the resort.  Skiing and Boarding aren’t old people sports.  You gotta keep up with the times, and you seem to understand that a little better than Dave did.  Man, it seemed like Dave would barely acknowledge the existence of the parks, while you’ve made a whole blog post regarding them.  The radios have been tuned to a much better XM station.  No more kids bop, now we got some groove, ya!  The lifts have been opening on time, or early.  Last year, seemed like you refused to open the lifts even a minute before 9, whether they were ready or not.  The differences between this year and last have not been drastic, but I’ve have noticed things are a little more cool.  Maybe all the snow has something to do with that, but I think it’s mostly cuz a new management outlook.  Sure you still want to hire a new GM?  You seem to being doing pretty well yourself.  

Keep it cool, buddy.  I do understand how tough it is to keep the parks going.  But all the hard work is extremely appreciated.

Peace

Matt's reply:

Meadows Lark: Thanks for the post.  You may not know this, but "Meadow Lark" was the first name of the Sports Shop at MHM in the original South Lodge back in the late '60's and early '70's -- or maybe you do.  Clever handle. Anyway, your suggestions about ability level park signange are strong.  I will discuss them in detail with the Parks Crew. Making the parks fun for all ability levels, and keeping them fresh, is a real high priority for the Parks Crew -- and they are all over it.  They will keep working and digging right though this storm cycle so that when the sky clears -- behold their magnificent creations for your enjoyment!

Regarding your other observations, they have little to do with me and everything to do with the best team in the alpine recreation business -- period. They make the company, and the guest experience, what it is -- and what it is going to become in the future.

Thanks again for your post.

-- Matt.

# January 5, 2008 10:46 AM

powripper said:

I seriously hope people aren't complaining about no terrain parks with the amount of powder we have been getting...Oh darn, I just have to ride powder instead!  There are plenty of good natural features out there to hit you just have to go find them.

Matt's reply:

powripper: We have some very passionate skiers and snowboarders who want the parks built and they have been letting us know it. We understand their enthusiasm and admire the passion and we want them to know that we are committed to building the parks as soon as conditions allow. Our crews are awesome and Paradise Parks will rock!

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 12:08 PM

D.J. said:

Dave,

   Its totally understandable that you are not able to get the parks going with so much snow. And the hard work of the park crew is much appreciate. Only one thing though, on the list of parks you have, I don't see anything for the park that we had on shooting star last year. It would be most dissapointing if we do not get an advanced park with bigger jumps like we did on shooting star last year. It pacified the more advance riders unitll that amazing super park was put up and the park crew did a great job on it. Please don't let us down this year Dave!

DJ

Matt's reply:

DJ: Thanks for the post. Right now we don't have plans for the jumps on Shooting Star. We first want to get the parks we have planned constructed (once the snow allows) and then we'll take a look at what the needs are of our guests, ie. whether the parks we have are providing the experience they want.

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 1:01 PM

Clay said:

"a truly magnificent spectacle of righteous verticality" Did somebody get a thesaurus for Christmas? LOL Just joshin ya. Good post thanks for the info.

Matt's reply:

Clay: Thanks for the post - just keeping the blog fun. We've addressed some pretty heavy subjects lately and let us not forget that the whole purpose for Paradise Parks is to have fun!

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 1:35 PM

Thomas said:

All this park stuff sounds great for the boarders and freestyle enthusiasts.  Has meadows ever thought about putting in a practice slalom race course on Stadium when it isn't used or on a different lift to appease the appetite of those who aren't on an official race team and still wanna pass gates?

Matt's reply:

Thomas: Good post. We have, and continue to consider it. Instead of gates there's a race system using brushes which eliminates the problem of resetting a gate if an aggressive racer takes it out. We used to have NASTAR and coin-up racing, at about $1 / run - but there wasn't enough interest to pay for it.

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 1:35 PM

Steep and Deep said:

Matt & Patrollers, Big whoa to all of you for today's awesome early opening of lower HC & JW...........AWESOME POWDER.

Oh yeah, it's great the parks will be ready soon too.

Thank You, see I'm not always negative; just very passionate about my powder runs!!!

Matt's reply:

Steep: Thanks for the update and I'm glad you got some early tracks! I will definitely pass on your praise to the patrollers.

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 2:08 PM

Mark said:

Matt,

This morning as I floated through the pow over what appeared to be bumps in the groomed runs I would fly ten or fifteen feet and land on a nice even surface. The pow, which filled between these mounds, foamed over my shoulders and into my face.

Who ever put those bumps there did a great job, with all the snow we have had, to enhance my warm up on the way to PR.

Keep up the good work.

Mark

Matt's reply: Glad to hear about the great warm up! Without knowing what trail you were on it's hard to know whether that was something we did or whether that is just the natural terrain for which this mountain is known for. Meadows is a natural playground filled with nuance and undulations which just makes it more fun to play on.

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 2:19 PM

merk said:

Congrats to you, your crews, and almighty Mother Nature for a great season so far. Dropping into upper Heather on Thursday was amazing! Can't wait 'till those parks are built - it'll move some of the crowd off my favorite pow runs.

One very minor gripe: what's with the same wobbly-ass stools in the Mazot that you had there last year?  Invest $10 in some wood screws and stabilize those things before somebody causes a domino-effect disaster in there!

Matt's reply:

merk: Thanks for the post. I'll pass on the info to the Mazot crew - safety rule #8 - make sure the stools are stable!

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 3:37 PM

jsteezy said:

I have to commend your park crews for the 4 beautiful jumps you have in at park place. With the fresh pow those are the nicest I have ridden in awhile. It was frustrating riding friday though. I was told by lifties and the reader board that Heather's Canyon was open but when I got up to the rim all the signs said closed. I didn't want to drop in and then find it closed and lose my season pass. So I stayed out. If it was open could you in the future update the signs along the canyon to reflect what is really happening

Matt's reply:

jsteezy: Thanks for the comments on Park Place - I'll pass it on to our crew.

Heather was opened at 9:45, but we closed iat 12:45 due to warming temps and snow/rain elevating the avalanche danger. The signs were correct - thank you for always following those signs.

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 4:00 PM

Rabbit said:

Congrats on getting the parks up so quickly.  We've been getting so much snow its rediculous!! As far as freestlye terrain goes, I'm wondering if we'll have a mogul run this year like last year.  For now, you could skip the brushes because of all the storms and just rope off an area designated to skiers only.  Hopefully, the boarders will listen and be happy that we won't complain about the lack of good bumps on the rest of the mountain.

Good luck and think snow!

Matt's reply:

Rabbit: For now, just wait one or two days after this storm cycle, then check out the face of Two Bowl for some tasty bumps. Or you could just ride the sweet powder being delivered to the Hood right now.

 Code.

-- Matt.

# January 5, 2008 5:13 PM

a-dog said:

 I was surprised to read about the SuperPipe opening while it is still dumping after almost a month of snow.  It is hard to believe you can upkeep a Pipe and Park during the snow season.  It is also difficult to think of the Pipe during all the great powder.  

I rode the SuperPipe and park last spring and it was excellent-part of the reason I bought a pass- and I look forward to them again,

       thank you all for the excellent park,

              a-dog.

Matt's reply:

a-dog: We have an incredible crew that can create awesome features. They're committed to getting things built. The window between storms allowed them to really show their stuff. I just checked the telemetry - looks like we got another foot of snow in the last 24 hours. Just another challenge for our Paradise Park crew.

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 5:18 PM

JEN said:

"nuance and undulations" is that the new thesaurus again?  Just kidding.  I think that guy must have been talking about the "bumps" in Park Place on the way to PR (Private Reserve).  Anyhow, the park crew and ski patrol are doing great at having more open every time I come up.  Keep it up!

Matt's reply:

JEN: Thanks for the post. I'm pretty sure you're right. We're getting some good feedback about Park Place, which our crew plans on having built to completion by January 10, weather permitting.

--Matt

# January 5, 2008 5:42 PM

truly magnificent spectacle of righteous verticality. said:

wow i hope this is a truly magnificent spectacle of righteous verticality in the parks this year. truly magnificent spectacle of righteous verticality. meadows is truly magnificent spectacle of righteous verticality. and the sun will to compensate for the melt factor of the lift above the jumps above the truly magnificent spectacle of righteous verticality.i hear theres a hugely popular rail park on buttercup

Matt's reply:

Righteous:  And so it has been said.

-- Matt.

# January 5, 2008 7:07 PM

Forrest said:

The parks have been great.  The rail park built with the snow out of the parking lot was a stellar way to start this season.  Keep the park crew working hard, and everyone else that's been riding them, thank the crew when you see them.

The powder has been fun, but my back leg is bigger than my front and I'm ready for more park riding.  :)

-Forrest

Matt's reply:

Forrest: Thanks for the post and your continued support.  I will definitely pass your observations on to the Parks Crew -- who has been working very hard to deliver quality product to you and our guests. Simply put, they are an awesome force of creativity and "can do" attitude that is very inspirational.

Keep on the look out for more features as this storm cycle moves through.  In the meantime, run Forrest run.

-- Matt

# January 5, 2008 7:26 PM

zach said:

When I was up at mt. bachelor I rode up on a lift with somebody who worked on the park crew for their mtn. and he spotted my meadows season pass and asked me how I felt about the parks that were set up. He then told me that the main park building manager was still riding bachelor and hadn't moved to govy yet.

is that true?

Matt's reply:

Zach: That's a negative.  Thanks for your post, but you got some weak intel.  No worries though, our team is in place, in residence locally, on the ball and 100% committed to delivering quality product to you -- the guest.

Thanks again,

-- Matt

 

# January 5, 2008 9:32 PM

Shread-A-Holic said:

Just checkin....forest park was on mt hood express last year right...?

and will the boardercross course be similar to bachelors...? theres was sweet last season

thanks, and keep up the work on those parks!!

Matt's reply:

Shread: We are moving Forest Park to Tamarack this year. And we should have a great boardercross course - Sam Cordell is our Director of Slope Maintenance. Last year he was at Bachelor and he built that course!

--Matt

# January 6, 2008 12:12 AM

D.J. said:

Matt,

The hard work of the park crew is much appreciated. Just one thing though, In the list you have I don't see anything that shows a park being put up on shooting star like last year. The more advanced jumps on star pacified the more advanced riders untill that amazing super park came up in april. So my question is will you do the same next year??Please, please don't let us down after doing such a good thing last year,it would be wrong to do so a think.Thanks

D.J.

Matt's reply:

D.J.:  We're scoping out potential locations for a potential Grade A Prime Park now. More on this as conditions develop.

 -- M. 

 

# January 6, 2008 1:25 AM

Bob said:

My girlfriend and I bought season passes this year, and I'll have to say,  so far, of nearly 10 years of snowboarding, Meadow's has made this one of my best years so far!  

I'm excited about hitting the new parks next weekend!  We took this week off to recover from 5 straight days at the mountain between Christmas and New Years!

Keep up the great work!

p.s.  My girlfriend's board was stolen on the third day of our trip last week, what are the chances of that thing showing up at the Lost and found?  It's a one of a kind board I got her for her birthday last year!

Matt's reply:

Bob: Thanks for the post. Our crew is anxious to show off what it can do with all this snow once we get some consistant park building weather. They're off to a great start. Glad you are enjoying the season.

Did you record the serial number on the snowboard? That is helpful for recovery - boards often show up in second hand sales locations and ultimately back on the mountain. Having the serial number and a dated picture of it in your possession can help get the board back.

We always suggest using our board check. But if equipment is stolen it should be reported to concierge and a theft report filled out with our security.

--Matt

# January 6, 2008 1:53 AM

john said:

This goes out to all the "people" who used too work at MHM and now at another resort....Look what your missing now!!! MHM ROCKS!

Matt's reply:

john: It is a banner year for snow, particularly POWDER snow! We still consider those who have moved on in their careers part of our family, as we believe their contributions they made while part of our company has helped us to get where we are. Having said that, it would be difficult not to be a little envious considering the great conditions, the superb crew and our loyal guests. It is a great combination for a super season.

--Matt

# January 6, 2008 2:30 AM

Taylor said:

Thank you Matt for showing the public some deadlines because for a while there we (freestyle crowd) thought the pipe would never open. I'm having less and less to complain about with every new blog you post. It knid of seems like each blog you post makes up for one that Dave posted.

Thanks

Matt's reply:

Taylor: Thanks for the post. The huge accumulation of snow we were receiving on a day after day after day basis prevented us from even being able to put the schedule together that we could really commit to. The past few days of more reasonable snowfall is giving our crew the opportunity to build these features. Of course constructon could be affected by weather, but the commitment is there and our crew is up for the challege!

--Matt

# January 6, 2008 11:01 AM

corey said:

Any plans to put up a bigger park like the one we had on Shooting star last year?

Matt's reply:

corey: No plans right now for Shooting Star.

--Matt

# January 6, 2008 12:24 PM

zach said:

I posted a comment yesterday, and although it was posted before the latest two, it still never made it onto the blog.

any reason why?

Matt's reply:

Zach: Didn't mean to dis you. Sometimes questions come in that I need to defer to other members of the director team and it may take them a whiile to get back to me. Other comments aren't posted if they're not on topic.

--Matt

# January 6, 2008 5:49 PM

steve said:

I think a very reasonable suggestion would be to post pictures on the parks section of skihood that would show all the features that each park contained. The photo album could be updated weekly to show the riders what features they would see this weekend in the parks.

Matt's reply:

Steve: A great suggestion and we are working on it - perhaps we can provide some video as well.

--Matt

# January 6, 2008 7:03 PM

Anon said:

AHHHH, to post or not to post. Mt. Hood is known for its 450+ inches of snow annually, La Nina was predicted(on your website) Its a bummer cuz your resort was one of the first to open on the west coast. Snow is a good thing for parks, yes, there is more maintainence.  But waddayagonnado??  NOT have the first sick park in the West?? "Theres too much snow" dont cut it, Matt. you could concentrate your resorces, or have more manpower on hand.  Yes, ski resorts around the country get little more than 200 in of natural snowfall. the rest is manmade. I think we should feel blessed that out location brings lots of heavy, packable snow to build terrain park features out of, and, "Make parks while the snow flies" cuz tommorrow it may be gone. This we all know. So is Meadows ready to keep up with the exponentally increasing number of freestyle demand, against other resorts that may offer a more progressive park environment? in other words, you state all the things your resort has been involved with, but can you keep the title for the future?  Sorry for the negativity, it just seems like everyone is kissing eachothers butt on this blog.  

Matt's reply:

Anon: Thanks for the post and the challenge. Our crew is up to it and as is the case with all aspectes of our operation we have a plan to continually improve the park experience to make it the Best in the West.

I take exception to only one thing you mention above - and that is saying our snow has been heavy and easy to pack. The majority of the snow we've received since mid-December (223" - over 18 feet of snow) has been incredibly light with a low moisture contact - not good for packing. But I hear what you're saying - we definitely have the snow pack, the resources, the talent and the commitment. Now let's make it happen.

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 8:55 AM

Brandon said:

Matt,

Seriously, great work on the blog.  It is now a part of my daily snow-geeking routine (along with the great weather forecasting links on the conditions page - aka my homepage).  I was just wondering yesterday why an inground pipe doesn't open sooner than one that has to be built.

Also - thanks for the benches in the bathroom!  Used one yesterday while getting ready!  The drinking fountain across the hall now has water, but it was hot!

I also must close with my Heather gripe then brag... The white ribbon on death running along the ridge above Heather yesterday was awful.  The race team had allowed a tiny amount of space which almost immediately became scraped clean, bumpy and dangerously overcrowded.  Throw in some flat light and it was bad news.  I know race teams bring in the big bucks and we can all share space, but another 10 feet would have made things a lot safer for the public.

Finally - thanks to all for this amazing season.  Getting cold, dry, light powder in your face on a Sunday morning (while still upright even) makes the whole week worth it.

Matt's reply:

Brandon: Great post - I appreciate objective comments - what's good what needs to be improved - it does help us to improve our product and services.

Superpipe inherently take a great deal of snow. Even with the head start of having a portion of the pipe underground, there still needs to be a ton of snow to build up the decks on both sides of the pipe.

I'll talk to the race department about locating the race course - and see if there's more space there. We do host some major races here and do a lot of training. But it's a big mountain and we can make it work.

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 9:22 AM

snodoggodbackwards said:

screw the parks cover them in pow

Matt's reply:

snod: Well, with 22 inches of new snow in 24 hours that is happening naturally. Plenty of powder and plenty of room for parks. It's a great combination!

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 12:00 PM

Jorge said:

Wow!  Im excited about Park Place opening.  That was the best park on the mountain last year.  Thanks to a great park crew Im lookin forward to a great Park Place this year too. Shipyard has been awesome with an awesome rail setup too. Rose City has been way better this year because of less bumps on the landings.  The Zoo is making that sweet.  I cant wait to ride the truly magnificent spectacle of righteous verticality!  I love Paradise Parks!!!  Meadows kicks butt Dave is missing out!!

- Jorge

Matt's reply:

Jorge: Thanks for the post. Our crew is awesome and they can't wait for some stable weather to really build out the park features!

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 1:00 PM

jake reilly said:

your parks are always sick. i love meadows. keep up the good work. thank you park crew

Matt's reply:

jake: Thanks for the post. I will pass along your comments to a very well deserving Paradise Parks crew!

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 5:21 PM

Tyler said:

What is the deal with the snow phone. It is monday at 5:23 and the 7 am message is still up there.  Why not update a little more often. trying to make plans for tomorrow and I can NOT get a snow update? Please please get on this.

Matt's reply:

Tyler: Thanks for pointing this out. We can never get too busy to not keep the snowphone updated.

--Matt 

# January 7, 2008 5:25 PM

Ben said:

Matt,

hearing you talk about making the rose city jumps bigger just gives me a rush of excitement.

this season is going to be a good one!

Matt's reply:

Ben: We have a very talented and creative parks crew. And while it's been a beast of year so far to try to build with all this snow, the good news is the snowpack will allow the crew to come up with some really creative features.

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 5:35 PM

Nic said:

Im glad to see a post about the parks and the promising time frame, (weather permiting).  Your park crew has been doing an excellent job.  Even when it was comming down rather hard on saturday they were out there setting that 60 ft flat to down, which is killer by the way.  

My only complaint about the parks is the distance between them.  I love the large hits and rails in park place but when you want to switch it up and work on your tech stuff you have to go all the way over to rose city and the shipyard which is quite a ways away.  It would be awesome to have an intermediate park run down Kinnikinnik off of HRM.  That way you could mix it up with the bigger terrain on Park Place then not have to travel the width of the resort to either try new stuff or get tech on the smaller obstacles.  I realize Forest Park is right there off of HRM but a really long run down Kinnikinnik would be ideal IMO, I love flowing through a really long park run.  Just a thought, but like I said, you guys are doing an awesome job, keep it up.

Matt's reply:

Nic: Thanks for the suggestion. We have been and will continue to be open and flexible - isn't that the spirit of freestyle? Let's see how Forest Park works on Tamarack. It should be a really fun park.

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 5:43 PM

Steave said:

Props to the meadows crew for their hard work effort. I speak on the behalf of many people when I say thank you! I can't wait to hit up the parks....that is if it ever stops snowing!

Matt's reply:

Steave: Thanks for the kudos - parks crew and all of mountain operations deserve it. Heavy snow early in the week - lightening up by the weekend. Might even get some sunshine! Splendid!

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 5:48 PM

bent said:

Am I the only person who isn't powder blind?  what great jumps have you guys been hitting?  The only jumps I've found have been really bad, and dangerous. This is my 3rd straight year of buying a season pass to meadows and each year I keep waiting for the parks to catch up, and once again I am bummed so far.  I don't know who thinks its a good idea to build a "jump to knuckle" it's not fun, it's dangerous to learn on and stupid. Then on the other hand you get a jump that shoots you so far up and out that you land 1/2 down the landing. What the hell?!?!   This is my girlfriends 2nd season and even she knows the jumps have sucked so far.  Please do something about the beginner/intermet level jumps or I'm sad to say we won't be back for a 4th year to Meadows. On the flip side, the rails have kicked butt so far! As they did last year.  I also look forward to the pipes being built... but for the love of my knees stop building "jump to knuckles" and maybe try a real tabletop for once.

Matt's reply:

Bent: Sorry you're not enjoying the parks to their fullest. You as a rider are in charge of your speed and many people just need to learn how to adjust speed for tables and rails. It’s normal to have to make these adjustments when riding terrain parks. We have a lot of riders who are riding these same features and really enjoyng it. Our crew manager Mike Paulino would also like the chance to talk to you about them - show him first hand what your concerns are. Next time you're up talk to one of our park crew members about the jumps.

Thanks for the comments on the rails. And the Superpipe will be coming soon!

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 5:56 PM

Jimbob said:

Hey i know last weekend was the first for Park Place but the jumps were deffinetly not as they usually are there was no lips and the hip was just lame. I look forward to seeing what changes have been made next weekend. Your park crew is doing a great job but was wondering if you could add something like the link below, i know you have the log already so just a jump to the log standing straight up. Thanks again to the park crew.    

Matt's reply:

Jimbob: Park building continues - even as we get 22 inches of snow in 24 hours! The link you sent didn't come through so I wasn't able to view the video.

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 6:20 PM

Sean said:

Man I'm excited to hit the parks, you guys are doing an awesome job... Where exactly will the Boardercross park be located?  I can't seem to find Wallflower anywhere on the trailmap... and what are we going to find in the Boardercross park?

Matt's reply:

Sean: We are stoked as well. The Boardercross is located basically skier's left of Rose City Park.

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 8:31 PM

Matt said:

Hey Matt,

On Sunday, I saw the MHM ski team ducking ropes to the park on HRM. If there had only been one ducking the rope, i would not of been so bothered, but what really set me off, was watching their middle aged ski instructor hold the rope up, so all his little ski team goons could follow him under the rope. I then told him from the lift not to duck ropes and all i got from him was a cocky little smirk. Would you be so kind as to remind your ski team, that they have the same responsibilities as all skiers do on the mountain, and such behavior is unacceptable.

Matt's reply:

Matt: Well put. I will pass this on to the race teams that are training at Meadows. Duckng a rope - even when set in-bounds - is not allowed. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

--Matt

# January 7, 2008 9:07 PM

Mikemicjump said:

I love meadows, it is by far the best resort I have gotten the chance to ride. I have been all over the world and still return to meadows for sure. However and I am not trying to be negative I do not return to meadows for the parks. The parks do not hold up to other places like Mammoth and Bear Mtn.  Meadows does a good job and we all know how hard keeping up on grooming is for sure. The problem in my eyes is that for some reason meadows thinks it needs a bunch of parks. If you look at most mountains that are well known for there terrain parks you will notice they focus their energy and staff to just one park. This allows them to keep it good and it then causes them to receive many happy people and much media response.

I snowboard with a large group of friends from the portland area. Many like myself work in the snowboard business as either industry workers or professional riders. Yes, portland is home to many professional snowboarders that call Meadows home. The sad fact is that none of these people even talk about the terrain parks or do anything more then just ride through them on their way to another location. Going back to other well known mountains with top quality parks they have created amazing facilities that are known world wide. This is because they take all their energy and team and focus on one area. Some might now have more then one area but that is after years of dialing in one zone first.

Please stop creating 5 under-par parks. Focus on one and make it something people will talk about.

thank.

Matt's reply:

Mikemicjump: Thanks for the input. It is interesting to read the blog comments - some bloggers want more parks spread out over more parts of the mountain, others believe we have too many, and yours is suggesting consolidating. I think we have a good mix this season, with Park Place and Forest Park on HRM, and the Rose City, Shipyard and The Zoo off of Easy Rider. We also spend a lot of time and effort on the SuperPark, which again is centrally located near Rose City.

--Matt

# January 8, 2008 9:43 AM

Chris said:

Please make sure that your Parks Team doesn't block off easy skiing for the rest of us. In years past the parks have blocked access at the top of the Red lift, and require someone not skiing a park to detour around it when coming down from the bottom of the Cascade lift.

Parks are all fine and dandy for those that use them, but there is a HUGE number of skiers and boarders that do not use them, and don't want them messing up the runs.

Matt's reply:

Chris: Thanks for the post. You are correct - Meadows is most known for it's expansive, varied and exciting natural terrain. We do need to detour traffic around our parks however, to prevent accidental access into the parks from those not intending to be there. To avoid the parks you should be able to take Daisy Bowl to either Speedwell or T-Bar Hill to avoid the parks on Easy Rider.

--Matt

# January 8, 2008 10:03 AM

Jorge said:

why didnt you post my comment?

Matt's reply:

Jorge: Thanks for the post - I am playing catch up. It's posted now - you just neeed to scroll up to see it.

--Matt

# January 8, 2008 12:07 PM

Michelle Harrold said:

Matt,

We met back when I worked at Donald M. Drake Company in 1996 (I was in high school and just worked part time...my sister, Alisha worked in the office across from you with Yvonne)...now I work for Melvin Mark Companies w/ Don Drake!  I had completely forgotten that the Drake's own meadows and when I read your blog the other day it reminded me!  My boyfriend and I have season passes to Meadows and try and get up there at least once or twice a week...I just thought I'd drop you a line to say thank you!  You and your staff has a WONDERFUL ski resort.  We look forward to many more seasons to come.

THANK YOU!

Matt's reply:

Michelle: Wow, great to hear from you!  I hope all is well with you.  Thanks for your kind words --  be sure to stop on by next time you're at MHM and say how-do.  Looking forward to catching up with you.

--  Matt.

# January 8, 2008 12:20 PM

Meadows Lark said:

Me Again Matt,

Just visited the parks yesterday (Monday).  Not the best day for riding anywhere.  Heavy, lumpy, sticky stuff all over.  Can’t say I was impressed with the parks, but also can’t say the conditions were very helpful.  The Place didn’t seem to get groomed at all, and City apparently did get groomed before a few inches fell.  City ended up being okay once the visibility improved.  Could use some more size on the 1st table, lots of over shooters.  Also glad to see the IGSP is finally starting to look like a pipe and not just a pow bowl. Anyways, got a couple things I wanted to mention.

First off, I have a little story of something I saw yesterday.  My buddy and I were riding up Easy, lapping the City.  We watched some boarder glide up the side of the first jump and side slip over the top of the table and stop right in middle of the backside of the jump.  As he did that, he created a huge divot from his heel edge.  But that wasn’t the real bad part.  Dude just stood there with his heel side dug in right in middle of the transition.  Someone else came over the side path of the jump (skipping the jump) and almost hit the dude standing on the backside as he came from off the table.  Dude standing on the backside just gave the guy the stare down and never flinched otherwise.  Shortly after, another rider actually came over the jump and yelped as he saw the dude standing on the backside.  That jumper landed about 3’ to the squatter’s side and lost his line to the next jump, and the squatter still just stared like “what do you think you’re doing”.  Moments later, another boarder came bombing into the first jump completely oblivious of the dude standing around on the blind side of the jump.  Oh man, it was painful to watch, but I’m kinda glad to have seen it.  I’ve had many close calls myself, and seen plenty too.  But never have I really seen it happen before.  A jump collision; burly.  It really does happen.

The dude that was bombing the jump got some huge air and began to regret it when he could see beyond the table.  The jumper was right on course to land square on the squatter’s head.  The jumper screamed an expletive and turned his board perpendicular to the fall line and began flapping his arms like a wounded bird.  From about 20’ feet above, the jumper came down right on the back of the squatter’s bindings and landed toe edge to heel edge with the squatter.  After a horrible thwack and a couple scraping thuds, the jumper slid under the squatter and washed out to the bottom of the next jump.  While the squatter lay flat out, still hidden on the backside of the transition.  Both were obviously hurting.  Thankfully the squatter seemed to be in more pain than the jumper.  I usually don’t wish harm to come upon anyone, but that dude deserved to be mauled.  You think he would have figured out by the first 2 close-call warnings that he was not in a good spot.  But he just stayed put and is probably paying for it today.  Neither one of the two who collided could be feeling very well after that.  I’m surprised both were able to eventually ride away.  I thought that Ski Patrol was gonna have to drag a body from the park.

Moral of the story is; know what’s going on before you ever enter a park and never squat on the jumps.  They are jumps, therefore people usually use them to, well, jump.  If you don’t actually want to jump, just keep moving and stay well out the way of people who do wish to jump.  If you do actually take a jump and wreck, get yourself out of the way and do your hurting on the side of the run.  Someone may not realize you are there, and make things even more painful.  Terrain parks are extremely exciting, but potentially very dangerous places.  There are many facets to “Park Etiquette”.  Learn them before entering the park, and use a little common sense.  Every terrain park is a Black Diamond run.  If you don’t even feel comfortable riding steeps like the bowls under MHX lift, then you are not ready for the park.  I could go on forever about the many inexperienced and brainless things I’ve seen in the park.  From beginners using the advanced terrain for learning how to slow-plow all the way to this gnarly collision.  You gotta be an advanced rider, and you gotta use your brain to share the parks safely.

On that note, I saw a very good sign at the entry of Park Place for people new to the park to read before trying their first run.  Big letters saying “READ THIS”.  That’s right along the lines of what I was talking about in my earlier comments.  Only problem is, the sign mentions different sizes of features, but no where did it mention what size Park Place features are considered.  Maybe an addition to the sign stating the Place as at least medium, if not large?  Scare away those riders not ready for the big stuff.

Peace.

PS:  I did some memory wandering, and figured out the 96-97 season was the first year I ever skied at Meadows (I feel so dated).  I learned to ride at T-Line, and fell in love with Meadows at 1st ride.  I’ve had so much fun in MHM Parks through the past decade.  A few majestic runs through Park Place in it’s inaugural year was the biggest reason I made the switch.  That and High-Speed Lifts and incredible terrain.  I used to think the Hood was slow and flat.  Also, never knew the original name of the ski shop, I wasn’t born till 77.  Just thought I was creative, and my tag was suiting.  Meadows is my (ski)home, and I like to fly like a bird.  Meadow(s)lark.  Chirp, Chirp!  Oh ya, one last thing.  Thank you for recognizing the passion us park people have.  I enjoy the all mountain stuff, but the park is my place.  

Alright, this particularly long-winded comment is finally over.

Matt's reply:

Meadow Lark: I hope those reading your account will learn from it. We promote the Smart Style approach to terrain park riding:

  1. MAKE A PLAN
    Every time you use freestyle terrain, make a plan for each feature you want to use. Your speed, approach and take off will directly affect your maneuver and landing.
  2. LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP
    Scope around the jumps first, not over them. Know your landings are clear and clear yourself out of the landing area.
  3. EASY STYLE IT
    Start small and work your way up. (Inverted aerials not recommended).
  4. RESPECT GETS RESPECT
    From the lift line through the park.

Step 1 and 2 are very important even to those regular park riders. As you know the features can change daily so a ride through the park each day to size up the features is highly adviseable. Parks are intended to add to the fun that you can enjoy at Meadows, but still require following the rules.

Code up.

--Matt

# January 8, 2008 2:37 PM

JAM said:

We are some lucky folks!!! My love and I are seriously living up this powder. We have on occassion questioned why no fully serviced parks yet, and appreciated the explination. TOO MUCH SNOW.... Well, okay then FINE!! ; ) So riding the pow till mid march, and then park from then unitil JUNE ( keeping fingers crossed, seems semi-promising) is a very happy and joyus sacrafice! I must also mention how awesome the ski patrol has been... We SEEM TO BE those crazy snowboarder kids, and have gotten stuck in between two occasions that we where honestly not invlolved in, and the ski patrol after discussing the situations had trust in us, and therefore I now feel trust in our MHM Ski Patrol. I say, things are just the way they should be @ MHM, and only going ot get better, thanks to the happy, hard working, and productive staff.  

Matt's reply:

JAM: Thanks for riding Meadows and for the shout out to our pro patrol. Good to hear about the dialogue. The patrol, and our entire staff, is dedicated to improving the experiences of our guests. Thanks for the kudos and I'll definitely pass them along.

--Matt

# January 8, 2008 2:44 PM

the yak said:

I think the parks look good, in light of the conditions. My main gripe has to do with their on-line support. How often is the Paradise Parks area of the site updated? It might just be my browser, but I've had a plain black box at the top for the entire season. Below that is just a bunch of old pictures. The park descriptions are good, but could we get some pictures of the actual parks as they exist NOW? I understand that these things change and the weather hasn't been too conducive to picture-taking, but please keep it in mind for the future.

Also, how about a park-specific blog? Topics could include upcoming or recent events, scheduled or completed park maintenance/redesign, park-specific safety, courtesy like Meadows Lark mentioned and of course all of the film production that goes on later in the season. It would be informational and entertaining.

One suggestion I have for the actual parks involves mellowing out the zoo tabletops. It's nice to learn tricks without having to clear the knuckles on those things. Maybe that's what the 'volcanoes' are in Shipyard. I'll check them out.

'Til then, I'm diggin' the pow. Either way I'm happy to shred and I thank you for that!

Peace

Matt's reply:

The Yak: We will be making improvements to our parks page. Adding pictures is a great idea that we are working on. Speaking from experience maintaining a blog is a huge commitment - I don't know that I would want to saddle the parks guys with moderating that blog, I'd rather have them buildig and maintaining the parks.

Thanks for the input.

--Matt

# January 8, 2008 4:03 PM

Ex Lift Op Mike said:

Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder,

Doesn't a park have tree's and swingsets and stuff...

Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder,

135 inches and dumpimg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder, Powder,

Caught the grand opening of Heather minutes after the rope dropped on 1-2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was one heck of a slab avalanche on the front page today, 1-8, looked like A Zone, deep too.

The avie danger is going to get worse, the season will take more lives if you take unnecessary risks OB.

Matt's reply:

Mike: You've said it all. Thanks for the post.

# January 8, 2008 5:30 PM

ERIC said:

Hello. Thanks for the heads up about the parks. I would love to ask how a person can become involved....

Matt's reply:

Eric: Sorry to truncate your post but I'd like you to contact Sam Cordell our Director of Slope Maintenance with your comments and thoughts directly at scordell@skihood.com

Thanks!

--Matt

# January 8, 2008 6:25 PM

Tyler said:

Again it is 9:30 on Tuesday night and still has the 7 am report up on the snow phone. Seriously if it is that hard to do, you cover my gas money I will drive up there and update it every two hours and ski the rest of the time. I already have a season pass so it seems to benefit everyone. I will be up everyday or can split it with one or two other people.  

tyler

Matt's reply:

Tyler: Thanks again for the reminder. We are adding depth to our snow reporting crew so we can keep the phones updated.

--Matt

# January 8, 2008 9:30 PM

Sean said:

First part of this comment is my excitement to hear the parks are being setup. Yes, I LOVE this new powder. Who doesn't?  I even enjoyed the low base level because it opened a lot of natural features to play on. Sure my board has quite a few new scratches, but thats what they are made for. To be used. At any rate, this season as a whole has been great so far and the parks being setup is just another addition to the fun. I've always loved MHM parks. They've always been cut well and setup in pretty good lines as far as the flow goes. I wondered when they would be setup because I do know how it goes with the always dumping powder that we've had.  It's hard to keep stuff groomed and packed which is a must in parks.

Second, in reply to Bent....I feel the jumps you are talking about are the ones in Rose City? Despite my years of riding MHM I still get mixed up on which park is which name. At any rate, the jumps under the Red Lift.  These jumps are perfect IF you know what you're doing. You need to carry more speed into them because you need the extra momentum to carry you out. They launch you far up but land you nicely into a steep landing. These jumps are pretty popular in a lot of resorts. Don't think the MHM messed up, they actually put three amazing jumps in a short space and thats how it has to be done.  When ridden correctly they offer nice flow and great float time. These jumps do not "suck". If you are having a hard time I suggest getting used to the jumps in Zoo. Especially if you haven't ridden park or anything all summer. I'm not trying to be mean but giving an option everyone that is still getting their park legs back.

I'm stoked to hear Park Place is getting built up. The Ship Yard has given hours of fun as have the hits through the Zoo. Can't wait to see what the rest of the season brings.

Matt's reply:

Sean: Thanks for the post. Rose City is located under "Easy Rider" (formerly known as Red) as part of our Paradise Parks offerings. No wonder you're confused! Thanks for the insight and encouragement to your fellow rider. Our Parks crew is stoked to set up these features for maximum fun and it sounds like you've been able to dial them in perfectly.

--Matt

# January 9, 2008 7:57 AM

Steep and Deep said:

Matt,

The powder has been great!!!  I have a couple of questions/comments from myself and other Mt. Hood Meadows ticket holders;

1)  Why isn't the HRM lot always plowed in the mornings?  Note this past Saturday there was 10+" to drive through which made it hard for some front wheel drive cars; I know that it's been snowing all night but still a plow should go through there around 7 a.m. true.  Also, some times the road from Main lot to HRM isn't plowed on the east traveling side, it can be hard driving through 12" of fresh even in 4X4.

2)  Why does the ski team practice on Shooting Star Ridge?  This area is very flat except for the final face drop off, seems Yellow "Stadium" would be a better area always plus not in the way of paying patrons.

3)  Why are people so worried about parks when the powder has been dropping at a rate of 1"/hr for the last week?  Keep snowing baby........By the way when Mammoth got their 8' of snow their parks were shut down also!

Keep up the GREAT job Lifties, Patrollers, Food Service, and of course Management.  It's a lot easier when the powder is flying to keep us happy.

Matt's reply:

Steep:

1) All of our lots are plowed by ODOT as part of the Sno-Park system. So HRM does get plowed, along with the upper lot and the Annex. Sometimes they get plowed early in the rotation, meaning we can get a lot of snow after the plow (which was the case this last Tuesday). We've discussed this with our partners at ODOT, but keep in mind this snow cycle has kept plows busy on the roads pretty much round the clock.

2) We have several teams which train at Meadows - and Shooting Star Ridge provides one more training venue. The coaches are able to train technique on this terrain, making the most of the gradual grade. If you can't do it slow, you can't do it fast so the grade really helps the coaches fine tune technique.

3) Expectations are created by past experience. So a lot of our guests expect the parks to be like they were the last time they visited. I think if they were here every day and experiencing all the new snow day, after day, after day (after week, after week, etc) I think they'd have greater appreciation for the effort that our parks staff and entire crew has made. I thank you for noticing and will pass along your kudos to the crew.

--Matt

 

# January 9, 2008 7:58 AM

-K said:

Thanks to all the Meadows employees who helped get everyone out of the parking lot last night! Thank you

Matt's reply:

-K: Thanks for the post. It has been an amazing year and the storms just seem to be dumping more and more snow! We love it.

--Matt

# January 9, 2008 1:26 PM

snowboarder royale said:

A couple comments...in particular regarding the guy who was talking about consolidation.  I moved up here from California, rode all the resorts down there and they all have different terrain features spread out all over the mountain.  I think each individual park at Meadows is geared towards different riders and I spend time in all of them.  Actually Park Place is and always will be the best.  Please never, ever change that one or take it away!

I am actually disappointed about the Forest Park being moved.  I thought it was a great location, the pitch was great, and when I was up with my non-park riding friends they could do the outside and I could do the jumps.

To the person that complained about the parks being in the way of non-park riders-Meadows is Huge.  The parks take up very little space and there are an infinite amount of runs with zero features that you will never be inconvenienced by.  I would say the majority of the snowboarders want the parks and go up there for them, and even skiers now to a degree.  In addition, I see way too many father daughter/son (young kids) going through the park casually for a lesson.  This is a recipe for disaster, as they are fairly oblivious to the features and the riders usually dont see them before its too late.  This should be something that is definitely in the "safety code"  I think the ropes do a pretty good job of that but I still see it.  

Anyways, so no chance of seeing any jumps on North Canyon?

Matt's reply:

snowboard royale: Thanks for the comments and observations. You bring some good perspective to this blog. Regarding North Canyon - for now there won't be a park on it. It did make for an awesome park, but hill space is limited at night and we really needed the terrain for our non-park riding guests. Ultimately the answer is to expand night terrain providing more room for all of our night guests.

--Matt

# January 9, 2008 1:42 PM

snowboarder royale said:

I have always said that there should be a section of the blog where we pick the topics and that way you can have anyone moderate.  This would also be a good way to form carpools, save parking spaces, gas, the environment, SELL MORE LIFT TICKETS etc..It works really well on other ski resort sites and I know there is another site you mentioned but honestly nobody uses it and people do use this site.  Hopefully you would be open to something like that. Your customer base should have a voice too and it shouldnt be limited to on-topic discussion!

snowboarder royale: We have discussed and are looking at ways to create forums on our site. We are open to it - we want to create a community that can share ideas, photos, videos and comments. We will need to update our architecture to allow social networking. For the time being we'll continue to offer this blog, and be a little liberal in posting comments that are off topic.

--Matt

# January 9, 2008 2:13 PM

Paul said:

I love the parks because it keeps the snowboarders busy and off my favorite runs. :) They also spend more time on the hill which makes lift lines shorter. Over all, from the perspective of someone who has no interest in flinging my fragile body into the air, I like the parks.

My only complaint about the parks is that last year in the spring there were parks in Arena, Gulch and Boulevard leaving Texas as the ONLY blue run from the top of Cascade back to the lift for those of us who have no interest in parks. Maybe next year you could put multiple parks side by side on the same run so more runs are free and clear, or build the parks with more room to one side so we can bypass them easier.

Thanks for the great topic.

Matt's reply:

Paul: Thanks for the suggestion - we'll keep it in mind as we plan our spring parks offerings.

--Matt

# January 9, 2008 2:15 PM

Jack said:

Like some of the other people on here I think meadows needs more improvement on their parks.  We need better transitions on the jumps we have and different set ups than just tables.  Look at t-line and bachelor and use their example by building some cheese wedge step down jumps in park place.  Also it would be nicer if the intermediate park under easy rider could be moved someday to a longer run so that we could have a nice long flowing park rather than 2 jumps in a line.  Other than that the rail park has been better this year than it has the last 2 years lets just keep some more advanced rails in there rather than letting it become all ride on features.

Matt's reply:

Jack: Thanks for the input. Our crew does ride the other parks frequently so I'm sure some of your suggestions will connect. For a variety of reasons the terrain under the Easy Rider lift is ideally suited for a park. Keep in mind that Park Place is not yet completed so give our crew a chance to show their stuff.

--Matt

# January 9, 2008 2:39 PM

badassler said:

A group of some relatives went up to meadows today (1/9/08) and were disappointed to see all of the parks gutted and all the tabletop kickers groomed over. I realize why this was the case, but my gripe is that the website did not reflect this. If you are going to tear all the parks apart due to a large amount of snowfall, please do not advertise on the website that all the parks are open with all the great features.

Matt's reply:

bad: I've alerted the freestyle grooming manager who issues the report about this concern. The web site should accurately reflect the features in the parks.

--Matt

# January 9, 2008 5:26 PM

Leesehole said:

I understand that you can not keep up the parks when it dumps two feet of snow in two days. But the website should say there are rollers in the park instead of tables.  And it says there are all these rails in there that are either closed or missing. Its nice to have an accurate website.

Thanks for the great parks when they are up and running tho! :)

Matt's reply:

Leesehole: We'll try to do a better job keeping the web site information current with the park status. We receive an update each morning (Tuesday's came in at 1:30 AM) from the freestyle grooming manager. I've alerted him to your concern, in case there are any changes after he makes his report.

Thanks for the post!

--Matt

# January 9, 2008 5:55 PM

Silent Majority said:

Matt,

We've really enjoyed the excellent snow and friendly staff this season. We've also enjoyed not having the parks.  For the last 39 years we've been skiing Meadows by putting our own runs together, without the hindrance of the parks blocking off these runs, and this year, so far, has felt like the good old days.  We agree with Mikemicjump: limit the number of parks and concentrate on just the few.  And, it's pretty obvious that once the parks start being maintained, the quality of the grooming on the rest of the hill suffers.

Also, we've wondered why you charged skiers to ski a public race course yet spend untold thousands on free terrain parks, which have primarily catered to snowboard riders?

One more thing we've noticed is the new line maze rails.  They are annoying to skiers and riders who try and keep their equipment maintained.  We know the lift crew tries to bury the supports, but they always seem to resurface.      

Just wanted you to know that we see some of the decisions Meadows has made indicate that folks who just want to ski and ride the mountain take a back seat to terrain users at Meadows.  Is this the future at MHM?    

Matt's reply:

Silent: We believe we offer a good balance of natural terrain and park features. We get good usage in the parks by both skiers and snowboarders, which means a higher utilziation of this terrain than other trails. As others have mentioned on this blog the parks attract and occupy freestylers, freeing up the slopes for the non-park riding skiers and snowboarders to enjoy.

Meadows has and will continue to make a major commitment to improving our grooming fleet. Freestyle grooming is its own department, meaning that the regular grooming of the mountain is not affected by terrain park building and maintenance.

I can't say exactly what the future of Meadows will be, other than we will want to be responsive to our guests and provide the terrain and features that they find fun and appealing. I have to say that building freestyle terrain for jumping is nothing new - here's a shot from 1974 of an event held on T-Bar hill, the same location as last April's Vegetate Rail Jam venue:

Were we ahead of our time?

I'll pass on your concerns to our lifties about the maze rails. Maybe with a little more snow we can keep them buried. LOL.

--Matt

# January 9, 2008 9:16 PM

Shread-A-Holic said:

Wow Aswome man tell the guys on the park crews to keep up the good work

Matt's reply:

Shread: You just did! Thanks for the post.

--Matt

# January 9, 2008 9:27 PM

bent said:

RE: SEAN. Thanks for the tips.. but I've been riding for over 10yrs and for 1/3 of those years I was an instructor so I think I know what I'm doing in the park. Yes the triple set under easy rider is the best on that side of the mountain but it doesn't m